Viola and Barna, Chapter 2 – The Red Flags

As you might have guessed if you read my previous post, I don’t think Viola and Barna’s chapter (in Pagan Christianity?) on church architecture is without its problems.  Here are a few (in my mind) glaring issues:

  1. Frank and George seem to denigrate the visual arts in worship (though they do not think it worth devoting a chapter to).  Their basic argument seems to be that it originated with honoring dead saints.  Two problems with that: a) what’s wrong with honoring those who have gone before us?  Honoring that “great cloud of witnesses” is far from idolatry; b) the origin of the first Christian worship art is irrelevant – the question is, how do we use the arts in our worship?  Art can be used in so many edifying and God-honoring ways!
  2. In addition to many things that the Constantinian era brought from Roman culture into the new church buildings, “The Roman custom of beginning a service with processional music was adopted… Choirs were developed and brought into the Christian Church.” (25) etc. etc. etc.  All I could say to this was what Barna himself said in the introduction to the book, “we cannot avoid bringing our culture into the church”.  I have yet to see how processionals and choirs, regardless of their origins, detract from the worship of the Church.  As a former raging Petra fan (okay – I’m still a ragin Petra fan!), I’ve seen God take, redeem and use many things from the “world” for His glory!  To paraphrase Larry Norman, “Why should the devil get all the good choirs and processionals?”  Viola and Barna – as I will opine in my posts about Chapter 3 – are woefully unconvincing in their arguments that formal worship is unedifying to the Body of Christ.
  3. [The Gothic cathedrals] relied heavily on the teachings of the … Greek philosopher Plato.  Plato taught that sound, color, and light have lofty mystical meanings.  They can induce moods and help bring one closer to the ‘Eternal Good’.  The Gothic designers took Plato’s teachings and set them to brick and stone.” The authors argue that the influence of a “pagan philosopher” is somehow negative and manipulative; that the use of color, awe and beauty somehow puts parishioners in the wrong frame of mind.  I would argue that art and beauty, being an inherent part of our being created in God’s creative image, belong in the Church, whether in a Gothic cathedral or an apartment living room!
  4. To continue from #3, “So with its use of light, color and excessive height, the Gothic cathedral fostered a sense of mystery, transcendance and awe… borrowed from Plato and passed off as Christian.” (29)  Two thoughts: a) Is a sense of awe really so bad in the presence of God?  b) On a personal note, I recall my Chrysalis walk – a youth retreat in the tradition of the Catholic Cursillo.  I spent a three-day weekend at Greene St. United Methodist Church in Piqua, Ohio (the most beautiful, majestic church building in all of Ohio, as far as I’m concerned).  The sanctuary was big, old and beautiful.  The back of the balcony, if I recall correctly, was adorned with a large mural depicting a Bible story.  The sense of awe I had in that place had a lasting impact on me, but not in the way that the authors warn; the smells, the echos, the cold stone mixed with warm company – these set the stage for a life-changing event in my life.  The sense of awe prepared me to receive what God had for me.  I don’t see that as a negative.
  5. “The main message of Gothic architecture is: ‘God is transcendant and unreachable – so be awed at His majesty.’  But such a message defies the message of the Gospel…” (30) Since when?  Emmanuel, God-with-us, the intimate Lover of our souls, is awesome and majestic.  He is the most wonderful of paradoxes!  If Viola has lost touch with God’s transcendance, then I fear for him.  And, by the way, I’ve been in some rather majestic cathedrals, and many of those times I have felt closer to God than ever; somehow acknowledging his transcendance brings us closer to Him!

They go on and on… through the evolution of the church building… some of their arguments are compelling (see yesterday’s post), and some are ridiculous (they compare the steeple to the Tower of Babel).  But the crux of the argument is: the church building is a barrier to ministry and must be done away with!

I’d say, no, they are a tool and need to be taken off the pedestal we have set up for them.  Is the church-building-versus-home-church argument really a matter of either-or?  Or is it possibly one of both-and?  In my last post, I recommended a few ways we could use our buildings in new ways, such as various parishes sharing buildings.  Of course, many who read this chapter of the book (such as church plants, and my own tradition of the Anglican Mission in America, many of whom lost their buildings as they left the fold of ECUSA) will find the question moot; they are already doing the first-century-church practice of renting spaces and meeting in homes!

I may have another post in me on this topic…

14 Responses to “Viola and Barna, Chapter 2 – The Red Flags”

  1. Bald Man Says:

    Tom,
    The point for them, I think, isn’t necessarily that most (to all) modern, institutional church practices are harmful – though they certainly conclude that. Their point more precisely is that most (to all) modern, institutional church practices have no foundation or origin in the New Testament. Further, those church practices which are described in the New Testament are integral to spiritual development (as opposed to being in the category of culturally obsolete), and largely have been abandoned and replaced by modern, institutional practices.

    That said, there is certainly a tension, as you and I have discussed, between the harm caused by modern, institutional church practices and the reality that those same practices at times have led many – including you and me – into the presence of God. My own conclusion is that modern, institutional church practices are in no way church (meaning that when the church gathers and does these things, the church has not done what it ought to have done). Though they may be a beneficial part of a person’s spiritual discipline, they do not and cannot replace church practice as exhibited in the New Testament. Modern, institutional practices are supplemental at best. At worst, and as is too often the reality, they are a distraction and a hindrance.

  2. blendedworship Says:

    Hey, Cory! Glad you stopped by! As I mentioned in a previous post on their introduction, their thesis is confused, because they both admit that origin of a practice is not at issue. Therefore, their entire argument stands or falls on whether the practices are edifying. You and I both agree that not all (maybe not even most) are. My point in this series of posts is not to attack them, but to point out the strengths and weaknesses of their arguments. As another blogger, who just last week wrote about PC, said, the practices in the NT are descriptive, but are by no means proven to be prescriptive… Hold on… let me get the link for that really good post…

  3. blendedworship Says:

    The other thing they totally miss out on is how regularly the early church met as a large body in public (Acts 2:46). Granted, a borrowed space. No argument. You are an avid blogger, Cory! I trust you’ve read yesterday’s post where I point out my agreement to many of their points. I just think they have a problem of idealizing the first-century Christians, which is a mistake… and… I… am… rambling…

  4. Bald Man Says:

    I saw yesterday’s points and don’t disagree with your agreeing. I can’t comment on the book, because I haven’t read the revised version. (I read the original a year or two ago.)

    Interestingly I have a copy of the sequel, Reimagining Church, sitting on the counter next to me.

    I think it boils down to this: Are the NT practices prescriptive or descriptive. Viola ( and presumably Barna) clearly think they are prescriptive, and I would agree.

  5. blendedworship Says:

    I am so glad you and I are commenting back and forth again!

    I think calling the NT practices normative for all the rest of Christian history leaves out two things: The Church is a Body, and as Bodies grow, they change and develop, or die; and, the Holy Spirit and His leading and inspiration seem not to be factored in by them at all.

    And for every time they quote 1 Cor. 14:26 (which I often quote, myself, especially for Bring Your Own Worship moments at Community Group), I can come back with Acts 2:46; they ignore that “prescriptive” point – the REGULAR meeting together in a large, open, public and formal setting.

    This is so fun! Let’s keep sometimes agreeing on stuff.

  6. Bald Man Says:

    @Acts 2:46 – Is this replicated beyond Jerusalem among the Gentile/mixed churches? (Not that I recall; Paul frequently inaugurates his ministry in the synagogues, but the churches gatherings are quickly moved to homes, even in those rare towns where the Jews are receptive.) Does the practice continue beyond the first days, once the church is scattered and once the church distinguishes itself from Judaism? What did they do when gathered in the temple courts?

  7. ...paul Says:

    I’m really torn in my views on this, Tom. But I haven’t read the book, so can’t comment on that.

    I can understand that organised religion and big church buildings might not be the best model we have, but I like it nonetheless. Some of our services are quite small and intimate too, and I like them as well.

    We’ve been trying to do more with house-groups over recent years, but there hasn’t been a great deal of take-up with them. And part of the problem there is, I’m sure, that the older model is so ingrained into our psyche.

    Looking around at other Church’s here in the UK, it would appear that even the most successful with small groups and house-groups, still meet together corporately once a week; admittedly in rented space.

    Our building does take a lot to keep it in good repair. Parts of it are more than 800 years old, so no surprise there. That can be a problem for the mission and focus of the Church — seemingly so much geared towards finance. But I wouldn’t want to see it fall into disrepair. And there’s something very special about praying and worshipping in the same place that that’s been happening for eight centuries.

    As I said, really torn on this one.

  8. blendedworship Says:

    Tell me this: in what way does it benefit the Church to NOT meet together in public? Notice we are not debating the merits of buying church property – I think we both agree on that front. But just because it’s not mentioned beyond Acts 2:46, doesn’t mean a) it wasn’t replicated or b) isn’t beneficial. Notice, the ONLY verse Viola uses re: “every-member ministry” is 1 Cor. 14:26. If it’s so important, why isn’t it referenced in every epistle? Cory! This is more tense (and fun) than a 14-14-14 tie of Settlers of Catan!

  9. blendedworship Says:

    Now… I need to finish my point: 1 Cor. 14:26 is extremely important as an example to follow, but then so is Acts 2:46. They have equal weight!

  10. blendedworship Says:

    And, Paul! Hi!

    “Looking around at other Church’s here in the UK, it would appear that even the most successful with small groups and house-groups, still meet together corporately once a week; admittedly in rented space.”

    To my mind, that sounds like a healthy, well-balanced life for a church to have: Acts 2:46 calls it “temple and home” and (so Alan my priest in NC told me) John Stott (great British theologian!) calls it the balance between “formal and informal” meeting of the Church.

    That reminds me: I promised one more post on this chapter… maybe tonight!

  11. Bald Man Says:

    I didn’t mean to imply a definitive answer to my previous questions. They were just questions that came to mind… like this one.

    in what way does it benefit the Church to NOT meet together in public?

    Can we really call what most churches do in their buildings a public meeting? Are they significantly more public than what occurs in a home (larger, yes; but more public?) Are they public in the same vein as gathering in the temple courts?

  12. blendedworship Says:

    That’s a good question. I know that, when we met at Holy Trinity, on the grounds of University of Chicago Seminary, right upstairs from the University Bookstore, we were public; when we met as a whole church for picnics and prayer meetings on the lawn of Promontory Point right off Lake Michigan, we were meeting in public.

    Admittedly, when we were meeting with Church of the Good Shepherd in our little church building in Davidson, NC, it was less so. You have to take each one on a case-by-case basis.

  13. Jill Says:

    The sequel to “Pagan Christianity?” is out now. It’s called “Reimagining Church”. It picks up where “Pagan Christianity” left off and continues the conversation. (“Pagan Christianity” was never meant to be a stand alone book; it’s part one of the conversation.) “Reimagining Church” is endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at
    http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org .
    It’s also available on Amazon.com. Frank is also blogging now at http://www.frankviola.wordpress.com .

    Also, for a look at the purpose and vision behind these books, check out Viola’s brand new book, “From Eternity to Here” at http://www.frometernitytohere.org .


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