Comments on: Pagan Clothes, Pagan Music Leaders… http://blendedworship.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/pagan-clothes-pagan-music-leaders/ A place for rambling about all things liturgical and musical... Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:07:19 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: blendedworship http://blendedworship.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/pagan-clothes-pagan-music-leaders/#comment-240 blendedworship Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:17:48 +0000 http://blendedworship.wordpress.com/?p=151#comment-240 Paul was a leader - he had authority over the churches he planted. He had, at times, moments where he was even threatening harsh discipline. How is that not leadership? And where, pray-tell does he say, "oh, and I'm planning on being the only leader you'll ever have; once I'm gone you need the headship of Christ sans human direction." That's not even hinted at! Christ as the Head and human leadership have never, ever been mutually exclusive. Even Frank and George - as much as they'd never admit it - are taking a leadership role. They are telling us that THEIR interpretation of Church history and their conclusions drawn (from one or two proof texts quoted ad nauseum) are the only biblical and Christian ones to draw. Paul was a leader – he had authority over the churches he planted. He had, at times, moments where he was even threatening harsh discipline. How is that not leadership? And where, pray-tell does he say, “oh, and I’m planning on being the only leader you’ll ever have; once I’m gone you need the headship of Christ sans human direction.” That’s not even hinted at!

Christ as the Head and human leadership have never, ever been mutually exclusive. Even Frank and George – as much as they’d never admit it – are taking a leadership role. They are telling us that THEIR interpretation of Church history and their conclusions drawn (from one or two proof texts quoted ad nauseum) are the only biblical and Christian ones to draw.

]]> By: Marc http://blendedworship.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/pagan-clothes-pagan-music-leaders/#comment-239 Marc Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:57:17 +0000 http://blendedworship.wordpress.com/?p=151#comment-239 While the authors do seem to criticize everything and everything we normal church-goers do, perhaps it is the kind of provocation we need to get back to the kind of organic thinking which says that each member (of the body) has a role to play other than keeping the seats warm or producing CO2. Their writing is radical but so is God - think about it: we humans need leaders - a church without leaders is crazy talk! But the Israelites "needed" a (human) king - anything else was also crazy talk. God didn't agree, he wanted to be their king, so they got Saul. Just imagine a church without human leadership. Is that not where they're pointing? While the authors do seem to criticize everything and everything we normal church-goers do, perhaps it is the kind of provocation we need to get back to the kind of organic thinking which says that each member (of the body) has a role to play other than keeping the seats warm or producing CO2.

Their writing is radical but so is God – think about it: we humans need leaders – a church without leaders is crazy talk! But the Israelites “needed” a (human) king – anything else was also crazy talk. God didn’t agree, he wanted to be their king, so they got Saul.

Just imagine a church without human leadership. Is that not where they’re pointing?

]]> By: blendedworship http://blendedworship.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/pagan-clothes-pagan-music-leaders/#comment-238 blendedworship Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:25:25 +0000 http://blendedworship.wordpress.com/?p=151#comment-238 Steve, I don't think I understand your comment! Sorry! I'm sure I'm just slow... Steve, I don’t think I understand your comment! Sorry! I’m sure I’m just slow…

]]> By: Steve Hearn http://blendedworship.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/pagan-clothes-pagan-music-leaders/#comment-237 Steve Hearn Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:35:37 +0000 http://blendedworship.wordpress.com/?p=151#comment-237 So nothing about asking George Michael to lead worship then? So nothing about asking George Michael to lead worship then?

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